Choosing right camera and lenses

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  1. Diana

    Diana New Member

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    Hi I'm a complete beginner and I'm choosing a camera for shooting in gym. As gyms are usually quite a dark place, I think of choosing a lense with 35 mm and f1.8 so I can shoot close. My budget is around 1000-1200 dollars.
    I'm thinking of getting Canon eos rp
    What would u recommend and should I start just with kit lense instead of prime one?
     

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    Hello Diana,

    Two major things will help you in a dark environment, one is the mentioned shooting with a very wide aperture, you will have very little deapth of field when you do this but sometimes that is what you want in your image. Each fstop as you stop down from 2.8 to 4 to 5.6 to 8 etc... cuts the light allowed in half so the shutter gets to slow to use pretty quickly in low light situations when stopped down.

    The other thing you can use is bumping the ISO up 3000 or above you can probably also work with lower light, however the digital noise will become more noticeable when viewing larger. I would think you have strong florescent lights in many gyms but if it is indeed quite dark you will be shooting wide and high iso possibly both. Personally I think it may be worth investing in a flash unit for these situations.


    Now, the gear.....
    Do you want to be full frame? The RP is a great camera, but has been around several years and was the first full frame mirroless option.
    You may be better off with a newer sensor even if you get a aps-c mirrorless. I don't mind the kit option as you can find a good mid tier camera and lens option and then add to the setup specific options for your use case.

    When I started 20 years ago I bought a 20d and got a step above the rebel and then bought all full frame lenses over the following years after for my crop body because i figured eventually i would go full frame and knew the good lenses would outlast the camera by decades.

    I think my recommendation would be to start with the r50 and kit, the wide 18-45 is going to feel like a 24-60 on a full frame because its a crop camera. and will work for most normal shots you may want with multiple people in them. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/canon-...fuEOb4aK0qwykIhm2jQaAvTnEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    This would allow some spending room for you to get that rf 50 1.8 for the gym and have a nice fast wide portrait lens for that use. Then you could grab maybe the EL-10 flash and learn some bounce flash techniques in the gym using the flash as a fill light, allowing you to have some freedom to shoot not always wide open. :)
     
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    Just a few more questions that I would add, is what are actually shooting? Is the subject moving fast? And how close are you to the subject?

    Gary
     
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    regarding the camera, wouldn't the author be better off with a full frame rather than crop sensor?

    reason a say this is for the better light from the bigger photocells of a full frame sensor, this coupled with the intended indoor sports shooting.
    subject wise it will be the same physical size on both sensors its just a appears to be bigger on the crop sensor because the subject fills that smaller sensor
    i do use a crop sensor camera because i shoot mostly in daytime and for wildlife, the advantage i take from a crop sensor is more pixels on the subject because they are more closely packed in mp for mp compared to a full frame sensor, and to this i loose out on the amount of light.

    for ref on subject vs crop, the way i see it and do correct me if i'm wrong, a full frame sensor is like looking out of your front door at the house across the road, you then shut the door and look through the doors window or letter box at that same house, this would be the effect of a crop sensor, you see less of the image ie the houses either side but the house across the road is still the same size.

    as the author is shooting indoor as a primary they might not need the longest lens so subject detail pixel wise will be good so best to take advantage of the better light from a full frame camera, even if its a few models older?

    there are ways around shooting crop sensor cameras in lower light, but they may prove more expensive or prohibited in regards to flash with indoor sports at some venues or much faster lens for the expense, ie i use sigma 105mm ƒ1.4 for foxes at night on my 24mp crop M50, but that lens for the author is all of the budget second hand.

    body wise i'd love to be able to directly suggest a ff one but i dont have any exp with them so i cant but i'll ask this would a more pro older body be better than a modern lower end one? as both would cost around the same

    lens wise for sports a zoom lens would be almost certainly a must which would put the aperture at ƒ2.8 at the best for an affordable one in the budget mentioned, though i would normally recommend getting a kit wide to long zoom lens so you can scope out what more expensive zooms or primes you want for future shoots i cant rec that here as it would be an extra lens taking up budget money if we are looking specifically at the indoor sports lens and the body, bare in mind you will want at least one extra battery and a fairly decent SD card also

    of the fast indoor lenses i have all of them turns out are crop sensor ones so this would be no use on full frame.
     
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    I pimarily suggested a crop body r50 and its kit lens as a starter kit. Then buying RF full fram lenses as a future proof for upgrading.

    The RP is a 2018 technology with a digi 8 sensor, the r50 has digi X so its 2 generations newer and I think would have better ISO performance.
    I think the gap is enough to go with a newer slightly cheaper model to start, but that is what i would do if i was starting out. You can always keep the r50 as backup and go FF in few years and all the rf lenses will work with both cameras.
     

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